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A question about lying and the Jehovah's Witnesses

by Change Name in

i have seen questions regarding how much jehovah's witnesses lie all the time on yahoo answers.

here is the latest question:.

jehovah's witnesses, is lying at any time something jehovah approves of?.

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Hi Mr Freeze - I disagree. It is not okay for Jehovah's Witnesses to lie. There were a few links that shows you what they teach. From what I have read, "spiritual warfare" is withholding information, not lying. You can give no information by not answering. The JW's give Matthew 15:1-6 as a reference to this type of "spiritual warfare". Jesus was asked a simple question. Jesus answered the question with one of this own, deflecting the animosity of the question from his discples to thsoe of the Pharisee and their traditions. What I find interesting is that anti-JW "apologists" refuse to quote the whole quote in regards to this. Why do you suppose that is?

Hi Uncantnom - uhmm OKay.

Hi Satanus - Where does the quote tell you that it is okay to lie to you? Withhold information is what it says. If you ask a JW where the rest of the congregation is so you can get them arrested for blaphemy against the state, they have the right to withhold that information by not giving you an answer. Look at the scriptures used in order to see what is meant and a full explanation will be given you.

Josie Jones - Then keep to yourself if you are tired of all the JW apologists that come to this forum. Keep slapping each others back on how wise you were to "get out" of the hated "Watchtower". Must get old posting whitty remarks like you do...

All else - I am not a Jehovah's Witnesses. I have studied with them for 2 years and then stopped last June because we went through the two books. I will point my finger at former JW's and opposers of JW's. I will ask pointed questions about you. I will ask you for your beliefs since you "left" the "Watchtower". I do not believe everything that the JW's taught me. I have come to the conclusion that they are the closest thing to a Christian people. You agree to disagree.

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A question about lying and the Jehovah's Witnesses

by Change Name in

i have seen questions regarding how much jehovah's witnesses lie all the time on yahoo answers.

here is the latest question:.

jehovah's witnesses, is lying at any time something jehovah approves of?.

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Hi there Josie

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A question about lying and the Jehovah's Witnesses

by Change Name in

i have seen questions regarding how much jehovah's witnesses lie all the time on yahoo answers.

here is the latest question:.

jehovah's witnesses, is lying at any time something jehovah approves of?.

Change Name

horray for me... my question has been discarded and I was labeled an apologist... lol

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A question about lying and the Jehovah's Witnesses

by Change Name in

i have seen questions regarding how much jehovah's witnesses lie all the time on yahoo answers.

here is the latest question:.

jehovah's witnesses, is lying at any time something jehovah approves of?.

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I have seen questions regarding how much Jehovah's Witnesses lie all the time on Yahoo Answers. Here is the latest question:

Jehovah's Witnesses, is lying at any time something Jehovah approves of?

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index;_ylt=AsMnrKSSBoXEVIHuzyJDr1Xty6IX;_ylv=3?qid=20130302060627AAVYrfF

One Jehovah's Witness answered this question with the following:

"Here is what we teach:

Be Honest in All Thingshttp://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1102008073

The Bible’s Viewpoint: Lying—Is It Ever Justified?http://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/102000087

Why Be Truthful?http://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2007081

"While malicious lying is definitely condemned in the Bible, this does not mean that a person is under obligation to divulge truthful information to people who are not entitled to it. Jesus Christ counseled: “Do not give what is holy to dogs, neither throw your pearls before swine, that they may never trample them under their feet and turn around and rip you open.” (Mt 7:6) That is why Jesus on certain occasions refrained from giving full information or direct answers to certain questions when doing so could have brought unnecessary harm. (Mt 15:1-6; 21:23-27; Joh 7:3-10) Evidently the course of Abraham, Isaac, Rahab, and Elisha in misdirecting or in withholding full facts from nonworshipers of Jehovah must be viewed in the same light.—Ge 12:10-19; chap 20; 26:1-10; Jos 2:1-6; Jas 2:25; 2Ki 6:11-23."http://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1200002738

http://www.jehovahsjudgment.co.uk/watchtower-un-ngo/

"A Not-Guilty Verdict
In this brief work we have shown you how the Watchtower Society's DPI NGO status has been blown out of proportion by opposers — and how those same opposers wish to silence us. We have seen how the Society's version of events corroborates with all of the evidence we have been able to find — even the “evidence” presented by apostates.

It really saddens us when we think of those former brothers and sisters who listened to such apostates and were misled to the point of either disassociating themselves or being put out of the congregation. The Bible clearly advises us to “avoid” apostate teachers, instructing us to “keep your eye on those who cause divisions and occasions for stumbling contrary to the teaching that you have learned, and avoid them.” Why? Because “men of that sort are slaves, not of our Lord Christ, but of their own bellies; and by smooth talk and complimentary speech they seduce the hearts of guileless ones”. (Romans 16:17-18) The Apostle warned, “your adversary, the Devil, walks about like a roaring lion, seeking to devour someone.” (1 Peter 5:8) It is very sad to see those who have been devoured by the apostate's NGO conspiracy theory."

I am not interested in making this a WT/NGO thread. There is a whole folder for this.

Why do opposers and apostates to Jehovah's Witnesses like to twist their teaching in regards to lying and claim that Jehovah's Witnesses lie through their teeth because they are allowed to because of something called "theocratic warfare"? The teachings of Jehovah's Witnesses are plain with the links above.

I am not interested in copy and pasters loading this topic up with "proof texts" from websites that oppose them. I would like to know why people overlook this blantant misrepresentation of their teachings.

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Former Jehovah's Witnesses, will Jesus destroy all JW's when he comes to the Earth?

by Change Name in

what do you believe happens when one of jehovah's witnesses dies?

do they go to hell?.

if you do not respond, does it mean that you are only looking to discredit and bash the jw's?.

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Hi there

Looks like many of you became athiests and do not believe in the afterlife.

Some of you were very mean in how you answered. Not entirely unexpected.

Hi Tenyearsafter - I have not answer many questions or even started many topics. Why falsely accuse me?

Hi Theocratic Sedition - Oh my. A bloodthirsty one. Why do you believe they will burn in hell? You think your Jesus is that evil of a god that he torture his creation for choosing wrong?

Hi Recovering - Thank you for not answering my question. If I wanted to talk about those subjects I would have created a new topic. For your reading pleasure, please go to the following blog to get your questions answered

http://defendingjehovahswitnesses.blogspot.com/

Hi Clarity - Thank you also for not answering my question. Like with Recovering, if I wanted to talk about those subjects I would have started a topic. For to this blog if you are seeking your answers:

http://defendingjehovahswitnesses.blogspot.com/2013/02/1-timothy-25-how-can-jesus-possibly-be.html

Hi Pterist - It does not really matter what I believe. My question asks what you believe.

Hi OUTLAW - You are a mean one, huh? You probably did not even get the message about Sparlock. Let me spell it out for you. Spiritism is bad. God is good. Christian do no spiritism. No teach kids spiritism good. No matter how harmless is appears...

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Anti-JW Cult: Why did you enslave yourself to new doctrines without fully investigating their validity first?

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i saw this on yahoo answers and wondered about your reaction to it.. http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index;_ylt=asztevcfhe4rumq8w.94glxq1kix;_ylv=3?qid=20130226115907aalqjsp.

here are some of your deceptive doctrines:.

russell was a freemason & pyramidologist.

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thanks for the answers...

Hi Satanus - Yes, please close your eyes. Shove your head in the sand. Do not ever contemplate what I bring out.

Hi Resistance is Futile - I believe that Mr. Russell was at one time a pyramidologist. I think the following article gives a good explanation about it.

http://searchforbibletruths.blogspot.com/2011/06/charles-t-russell-and-pyramid.html

Hi Aussie Oz - Lets take this point by point -

1) Apparently both the Freemasons and Russell deny his membership.

2) What is have seen is that most former Witnesses do not consider anything that defends the JWs. The following article shows how you are incorrect.

http://www.jehovahsjudgment.co.uk/watchtower-un-ngo/

3) I wonder why you do not care. I find this false accusation fascinating.

4) Your own research probably consists of taking other peoples research and making it your own. From what I have gathered, in order to be a prophet of God you need to receive a new prophesy. Jesus was a prophet of God. He received two large prophesies and gave one to John to deliver to his disciples. Christians throughout the ages have done their best to understand these prophesies and have made some mistakes. These Christians started in the 1st century making claims that Jesus would come back in their lifetime to today when people still make statements about Jesus coming. People can be wrong on interpretation of Bible prophesy and still be a Christian and not a false prophet.

5) I have done some good research in this topic. I do not believe that they protect child molesters. They are human and make mistakes believing people turn to Jesus and will not comitt these arocities again. But of course they are wrong. A child molester will always be a child molester.

Hi Smiddy - Thank you for not giving me your reaction to what I found on Yahoo Answers. From what I have read, Jehovah's Witnesses teach that independent thinking apart from what the Bible teaches is a disaster waiting to happen. I have not experiened nor read anything about a hive mentality that many opposers like to bring up.

Hi Julia - One of the teachings that I happen to agree with is that Satan is trying to bring down all the humans he can when he is destroyed. Most Trinitarian Christians believe in Satan as well. The difference between Jehovah's Witnesses and Trinitarians is that JW's believe that we live in Satan's world and Trinitarians believe that we live in God's world.

Hi LouBelle - I see general statements like these all the time. I always wonder what exactly do you mean?

Hi Mum - So you decided not to be one of Jehovah's Witnesses because your parents were messed up in the head and you thought that was normal? Sounds like you did not want to be a Christian and wanted to go your own way and blame your parents for all the things you missed. Maybe I am wrong.

Hi Blinders- Have not been back there for a couple days. Which one is your answer?

Hi Ding - I have seen claims made by many that Greber translated the NWT. One named Galatians 5;1 made this claim on a regular basis. Maybe that is what Jonathan is referring to.

Hi again Assie Oz - Oh come off it. I work for a living and have a family. The internet is not my life.

Hi NoRegrets - Nice. A conspiracy theory for little ole me. I was wondering what the hardcore anti-JW's thought about this question. I know that most former JW's will not become JW's again because they hate the lifestyle. The meetings are boring, or going d2d sucks, or you have to get married before having sex... there are many complaints from former JW's. I do not even expect the majority will even consider what I will bring out. They believe that the WT is an evil organization out to ruin the world. Nothing will change their minds.

Hi Zed - What you do to get DF'ed? If you got DFed, was it you who ruined your life or was it the "org"? People accuse the JW's of laying blame on other people for their mistakes but from what I gather it is really hard to get DF'ed. Putting the blame on a group of people for your actions is rather classless.

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Ugh. Attended a funeral recently at the KH...

by Muddy Waters in

i can't believe how horrid this experience was.

first, the thought of going into a kh again filled me with total anxiety and even nausea.. .

second, couldn't believe how much time it took to get ready to get there.

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Hi there Muddy Waters

Like you I went to a memorial service of a friend of mine who is not a Jehovah's Witnesses. It was a somber experience after my association with Jehovahs Witnesses. I did not like being there because when they quoted the Bible they did not give any scriptures to back up when they were teaching. They were teaching on heresay.

I felt like an outcast as well. Nobody approached me thanking me for attending. I went up to my friends wife and expressed my condolences and left without any conversation with anybody from that Church. Not even the Pastor.

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Former Jehovah's Witnesses, will Jesus destroy all JW's when he comes to the Earth?

by Change Name in

what do you believe happens when one of jehovah's witnesses dies?

do they go to hell?.

if you do not respond, does it mean that you are only looking to discredit and bash the jw's?.

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I posted this question on Yahoo Answers as well

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20130302094737AAglaf1

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Former Jehovah's Witnesses, will Jesus destroy all JW's when he comes to the Earth?

by Change Name in

what do you believe happens when one of jehovah's witnesses dies?

do they go to hell?.

if you do not respond, does it mean that you are only looking to discredit and bash the jw's?.

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What do you believe happens when one of Jehovah's Witnesses dies? Do they go to hell?

What do you think? If you do not respond, does it mean that you are only looking to discredit and bash the JW's?

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Everlasting life is a free gift. Or is it?

by hoser in

at the meetings i hear from time to time that everlasting life is a free gift from jehovah, but from a jehovahs witness point of view is it really?.

you will not receive the "gift" if:.

you miss meetings.

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You will not receive the "gift" if:

you miss meetings

you are not regular in field service

work overtime

get a college degree

have a business and entertain "worldly" clients

I haven't the time to calculate the cost of "free everlasting life" so I invite your comments"

I have been going to meetings for three years and never had heard these things....